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@retro_craze I encourage you to read the rest of the thread because you're actually doing the exact thing I say people who use this argument do and it's funny. Cuba isn't collapsing, it has some of the lowest rates of poverty in Latin America despite a worldwide embargo
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@retro_craze The failures of China (a country which I don't support and whose people do not own the means of production) do not invalidate socialism as a concept. You need to make systemic critics of socialism, not point out bad examples