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Okay NOW I'm making fun of GeoffPermalink On twitter.com
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this'll probably be on the short side because I have some late night homework to get back to. But if you want a longer thread I recommend this one! @brainchild129/1369489790115192832Permalink On twitter.com
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"In the wake of last week's video some people were wondering where Mushoku Tensei was" yeah because it's trashPermalink On twitter.com
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"Its protagonist is only very technically not a pedophile for now" ...Permalink On twitter.com
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Big Earbud sponsored this takePermalink On twitter.com
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Mushoku Tensei is like a downgrade from SAO tho like look the essay it's coming you've heard me say itPermalink On twitter.com
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I'm gonna let it play for a little bit and then come back with argumentsOn twitter.com
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I'm not sure how you include this scene in your essay and not realize how it invalidates all claims of Mushoku Tensei being salvageable as artPermalink On twitter.com
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okay so now he's talking about how Mushoku Tensei looks pretty which I don't give a shit how pretty it is if it's garbagePermalink On twitter.com
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So there're a couple of claims here to unpack 1. So the reason why isekai is bad nowadays is because stories try to copy wish fulfillment tropes, while Mushoku Tensei did these tropes for ✨~story~✨ Um No? NoPermalink On twitter.com
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And here's where I really wish I'd published my isekai essay drafts because I have done all this analysis before. But it's not the copying itself that makes isekai bad. It's actually a combination of the tropes, the framing, and the target audiencePermalink On twitter.com
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Mushoku Tensei is just a wish fulfillment story again. Later isekai stories would iterate on this process, strip out the part where it kind of pretends its not wish fulfillment and add a bunch of irony and self-awareness, but it's not *different* from other isekaiPermalink On twitter.com
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2. He's not horny, but psychologically conditioned to be a pervert because it's all he knows how to do ... this is such a fantastical claim. Maybe @ThatBlueHatGuy1 or @sovwinterprison have heard this one and can make a better rebuttal but all I have to say is...Permalink On twitter.com
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...part of the reason we know Jobless is just a whish fulfillment is how it treats this "perversion". It acts like his behavior is something he can't control and something he got from being bullied. It's something that can only be cured by being treated right by others (women)Permalink On twitter.com
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3a. "You're not supposed to like him/you're not supposed to think he's a good person" EVERYONE SAYS THIS ABOUT EVERY BAD SHOW. "You're not supposed to like Naofumi" "You're not supposed to like Kazuya" "You're not supposed to like-" yeah okay no seePermalink On twitter.com
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It doesn't actually matter to the argument if I'm supposed to "like" or "think he's a good person". The question is about the behavior of the protagonist.Permalink On twitter.com
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When the protagonist commits "bad" behavior, who is centered? The protagonist or the person they hurt? Why does the show say this behavior is bad? What does the show say he must do to fix it? These go beyond "such and such is a good person"Permalink On twitter.com
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3b. "The show shows his behavior hurts the women around him" not in a way that mattersPermalink On twitter.com
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gonna let it play some morePermalink On twitter.com
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so he argues that Mushoku Tensei shows Rudy's growth by him respecting the women around him, but then admits that the show undercuts this by showing that his peverted behavior has not changed DOES THAT NOT MEAN NO REAL GROWTH IS TAKING PLACEPermalink On twitter.com
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Okay he's gonna try and argue against this really obvious point let's seePermalink On twitter.com
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The argument becomes that because the story isn't finished we just haven't seen the arc finish and like I'm *pretty* I did a podcast on this about Bad Anime Defenses Geoff should listen to my podcastPermalink On twitter.com
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more concretely the author has basically said that he never really intended for Rudy's perversion to like... go away? Rather he only wanted it to scale back some so he could be a functioning member of society. And indeed that's what the writing doesPermalink On twitter.com
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So here's a weird isekai defense "well it's not like he's GIVEN everything he has to WORK for it" but he still gets it right? he's still stronger than everyone else so it's still the same fantasyPermalink On twitter.com
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REALLY need to finish Bullshit no Yuusha because then I won't have to write these I could just link the appropriate part of the essayPermalink On twitter.com
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man I haven't even seen the last few episodes so this will be fun to watch him defendPermalink On twitter.com
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Man I want to watch the show that Geoff thinks Mushoku Tensei is. A show that understands consent, that uses fanservice with purpose, that handles topics like sexual assault in a way that's meaningful and progressive. It sounds nicePermalink On twitter.com
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Since I haven't seen the scene he's talking about yet I can't argue that he's wrong. But I can say: showing an on-screen sexual assault attempt and making it about how the man who did it feels afterwards is pretty disqualifying for handling this topic correctlyPermalink On twitter.com
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Since he brings up SAO as a show that does it *wrong*, I will point that SAO II has a scene where a woman is attacked, but it's from her perspective, following a season-long arc about her trauma. And that to me is bear minimumPermalink On twitter.com
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so other thing Geoff notes Rudy often points out how bad a person the men in his life are, but is this not a sign that Rudy is at the moral center of the show? Does this not take away from the fact that a lot of his behavior is normalized?Permalink On twitter.com
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So I think what I'm going to do is finish Mushoku Tensei and come back to this video. Because I need to work and sleep maybe at some point and he is trying to actually cite textual evidence for things that deserve a proper response.Permalink On twitter.com
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I appreciate that, unlike the Redo take, Geoff leaves the door open to other analysis. That's... somewhat helpful? ? ehPermalink On twitter.com
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he's still wrongPermalink On twitter.com